This gal caught my eye for a couple of reasons. One is that she’s a wonderful public speaker. I can learn from watching her speak. In many ways, she’s a better public speaker than I am and that means she can teach me in this area. The second thing that struck me about her, though, was that her message is not a good one.
There’s a reason we say that throwing a tantrum or failing to exercise self-control is childish behavior. We say that because children, as they grow, learn to exercise self-control. And they should learn to exercise self-control. When adults fail to control themselves, they are acting in a way that is acceptable for children, but unacceptable for adults. When we tell adults they are acting childish we don’t mean that there is anything shameful about children acting like children. We mean that there is something shameful in grown men acting like small children.
Adora goes on to say that teachers should learn from children, but she never tells us why. She says because we don’t trust children, we restrict them—we restrict their internet usage, for instance—and we shouldn’t restrict children because that’s what fearful, control-freak totalitarian regimes do.
Well, sure but it’s also what loving parents do. We restrict children to protect them while they are learning how to exercise self-control and while they are learning how to think critically.
Adora goes on to tell us that adults underestimate children’s ability. When her mother tried to help her get published, they were disappointed to find that one children’s publishers didn’t publish works written by children. (I’m sorry, but even we adults have to fight the urge to believe that just because our mothers love our work, that doesn’t mean it’s fit for public consumption.) And finally she tells us that we need to turn children into better adults than we have been. This is how progress happens.
She sums up her talk by repeating her main points:
- We need to listen and learn from kids
- We need to trust kids
- We need to expect much from kids
- So that we can make our children into better adults than we are
OK I don’t really disagree with her points. What rubs me to the wrong way is the emphasis she puts on them. As if children, just because they are children, are somehow wiser than adults. This is what the sitcoms teach. Dad is a dolt, Mom is smarter than Dad, and the kids are smartest of all. Once upon a time we believed that Father Knows Best, but we had a big knee-jerk reaction to that. Has anyone seen the Flicka movie that came out a couple of years ago, and compared it to the one with Roddy McDowell? How about the remakes of Cheaper by the Dozen (the movie that made poor Steve Martin fall off the pedestal I had him on) and Yours Mine and Ours?
Those three remakes speak volumes about the differences between the way many people in our society used to view children and parents and discipline and teaching and wisdom and right and wrong, and the way they view those things now.
I think Adora, rather than lecturing adults on how they need to listen to and learn from children, might do better if she lectured children on how there is some wisdom in saying that children should be seen and not heard. Regardless of age, we need to listen and learn before we can teach. Children, most often, have not listened and learned long enough to be able to teach adults.
Generally speaking.
Yes, children do sometimes see that the emperor has no clothes. Yes, children are sometimes right. Children sometimes see truth before adults do.
And that’s what matters. Whoever is right should do the teaching, no matter what the person’s age is. If Adora is right she should teach. If she’s wrong she should listen and learn. It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with knowledge and wisdom, which are often gained by way of experience.
So…have any of you seen those three movies—the originals and the remakes? What’s your favorite sitcom and what does it say about authority/discipline/children?
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Thought-provoking piece, Sally.
I don’t think children are ever really able to teach adults. They may be guileless, however, because pretense seems to be a learned behavior. So if they speak their mind, they may, in the process, draw attention to the things the adults in their world are trying to hide. It doesn’t make the child wiser or smarter because they haven’t learned tact, not even if their tactlessness brings truth to the surface. It is truth, not the child, that is instructive.
Also, children are guileless, not because they don’t lie, but because they don’t lie well and can’t recognize when someone else is lying.
Children lie at an early age and will most likely keep doing so if they aren’t taught to be truthful.
Adora’s premise seems to align well with the idea that people are good; it’s society that’s messed up. The problem with that line of thinking is that society is made up of people, so somewhere these good folks who collectively created institutions such as government, schools, families, churches, went astray from that goodness.
Most any honest person who has been around an infant can see that besides all the powdery fragrance, the peek-a-boo giggles, and sleepy-head yawns, there’s a streak of stubbornness, even defiance, and some pretty ugly selfishness. That’s who children are, and I don’t see them getting better with age. Otherwise adults would have all the problems licked. But of course the sit coms let us know, we don’t.
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I’ve seen the original of those movies, not the remakes. But there was a time when the sitcom Home Improvement was HUGE and I allowed my kids to watch…until I’d seen one too many times of watching the father (Tim Allen) portrayed as the idot of the family. I wanted our kids to respect their dad, not laugh at him (at least not all the time) and that was the end of HI in my house. The kids didn’t seem to mind at all.
I’ll take Andy Griffith any day.
Btw, Adora is an excellent speaker. But yes, her argument had holes. I’ve heard this idea before, about kids teaching adults. Speaking as a former teacher, that model only works if all the kids are like Adora. And she’s quite the exceptional kid.
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Yes, Becky, I agree. It’s the truth that instructs, not the child. Or the adult for that matter. And I also agree that children are not sinless by any means. But that gets into my next blog post.
Cathy, I had Home Improvement in mind when I said, “that’s what the sitcoms teach,” in fact. That was a huge offender. Tim was always portrayed as an idiot. Don’t bother watching the remakes of those three movies, then. They’re just more of the same. The fathers end up apologizing to the disobedient, spoiled children. Go team!
I’m so glad to hear that you taught your children to respect the beneficent Mr. Hall and mostly only held him up for friendly ridicule in front of thousands of magazine and ezine readers.
“thousands of magazine and ezine readers.”– TOTALLY different from the kidders, Sally. Mostly, because the Beneficent Mr. Hall doesn’t live with that crowd–and ignorance, as you know, is bliss. :-D
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And, of course, your readers get the hyperbole. Whereas the sitcoms are deadly serious when they paint the father as the dolt.
I haven’t seen the originals or remakes of any of those movies- but I’m very picky in the media I consume. I have noticed (when I’ve been at other peoples homes who have the TV on- I don’t watch TV), almost every Disney program follows that pattern you mentioned- no matter how wise or foolish the children are presented, they are always the person in charge in their homes, and parents are either idiots or absent.
My favorite sit-com was The Cosby Show. Typically a very good father example is set by Bill Cosby- a man we can respect, learn from, and even laugh at- not because he’s a fool but because he’s human and helps us to laugh at our own human condition.
Children should not be teaching grown-ups, but grown-ups should always be learning from children. It is our responsibility to watch them and guide their growth- not to conform to a cookie cutter idea of how all kids should be, but to nurture the potential to be everything that God created each of them to be with their own gifts, talents, strengths, and to overcome their selfishness, weaknesses, struggles allowing these later things to also be used by God. We need to teach these things as parents, teachers, counselors, and whatever other role you play in the lives of children. Our learning from them comes from our own wisdom, not theirs. People who will just stop and pay attention can learn many things.
I think a distinction should be made between childlike and childish. Naturally we are all Childish: we are selfish and prone to meltdowns when we don’t get our way, undisciplined, reckless, and have far too little concern for anyone else. But naturally we should be childlike: innocent, honest, full of wonder and curiosity, aware of that anything is possible if you believe, and willing to take more risks- even if you’ll look silly- knowing it’s okay to be silly and laugh at ourselves, and not take ourselves so seriously. As we grow we should become less childish, but strive to retain our childlikeness. Because unless we become like little children (in our innocence, faith, dependence on God, and freedom in Christ) we can never enter the Kingdom of God.
But too many adults today never learned responsibility. And they can’t teach their kids what they never learned themselves. So, in many ways the parents are idiots, and their lack of instruction to their children lets the children feel like they already know all they need to know, and their lack of presence in their children’s lives lets the kids feel like they are in-charge- because they are in-charge of themselves for the most part. So the sitcoms today don’t distort realty but show us the current reality from the child’s perspective in most modern American homes. Sad but true.
Patrick, you make several excellent points. Thanks for adding to the conversation. I love Bill Cosby, too.
Great post, Sally. I’ve been wrong on many occasions as I raise my kids, and I’m not ashamed to apologize to them when it happens. But for the most part, there’s a big reason God made parents parents and kids, kids. When my dad was growing up his parents wouldn’t let him watch “Leave it to Beaver” b/c the kids were disrespectful. I wasn’t allowed to watch “The Dukes of Hazard” b/c the police were portrayed as imbeciles. For me, it’s about respect. I know my children won’t always agree with me, but they know they need to respect the authority God has given me. There’s no doubt that children are amazing, bright, and often right. It’s why I want to be a children’s author. But you hit the nail on the head in this post. Often times wisdom comes with speaking less and listening more.
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I’ve been wanting to chime in throughout the week, but I’ve been rather busy. You know, doing things like making sure my children are clothed and fed, wading through temper tantrums, answering mind-boggling questions, getting them to and from school, etc., etc., etc. I suppose I really should have skipped all that and learned a page or two from my kids. If my seven-year-old had been in charge, we could have been late to school every day. My four-year-old who talks like an adult might have wowed me with her vocabulary, but watch out for the vale of tears that can pour forth as soon as things don’t go her way. And as for my two-year-old? Well, maybe he can run things once he’s learned how to go to the bathroom by himself!
Oh dear, am I sounding a little sarcastic?
Sorry, it’s been a long week. But it’s also had some amazing parts, and those include my kids who continually teach me to see Christ more clearly as they believe him without my grown-up skepticism, and who force me past my innate selfishness simply because of their dependence. So yes, they teach me. But I can guarantee I wouldn’t learn half as much from them without the years of plain-old life experience under my belt, not to mention years of seeing God prove his faithfulness.
Adora may have, as you said, some good end-points, but she still lacks a vital ingredient of being adult: life-experience and the wisdom and compassion that can come from that. Her presentation was admirable, but I couldn’t help but wonder how much it looked like an imitation of adults. Who is she herself? I wonder if she’s ever even had the opportunity to be a child, childish or childlike. Personally I feel sorry for her more than anything else!
So that’s my rant on the topic
. Regarding the movies and shows you mentioned I couldn’t agree more. I am blessed with a husband who is an awesome dad and role-model, but it would be easy to bash that if I followed the norms of our culture in how I treated him as a wife, and how I presented him to our kids when he was swamped with work and providing for us.
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Loved the speech…what a kid! Your comments made me think of the current, very interesting, author interview I just read in the Wall Street Journal about the superiority of the French when it comes to parenting. I have a feeling you’d agree with much of what the author says:
http://tinyurl.com/87jcb3g
How I wish my own parents had known how to help me become a 2 marshmallow kid!
Thanks for taking the time to comment, Debra. And you, too, Loren, with all your business with the kiddies. And, oh, yes, I learned so much from my children about grace and Jesus Christ, too. And about my own sin. I thought I was an even-tempered, generous person until I had kids. When you have people demanding from you all day, you learn who cranky and selfish you really are.
Deborah, thanks for commenting. Great article.